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Gig listings for The International September - October 1986
Artefact added : 30th July 2007
by cody
mat Says –
blimey - that month i mostly i went to; Love & Rockets, Robyn Hitchcock, Weather Prophets, Roger McGuinn and Mighty Lemon Drops.

That's why I moved to flat 100 metres away!
COMMENT ADDED 30th July 2007
Tony/Longfella Says –
I think Vee VV were a local band (they're listed here) formed from the ashes of little known Blackpool-based Factory band Tunnelvision.

More on Tunnelvision and the extract below can be found at www.ltmpub.freese...

"Anderton and Butterworth went on to form Vee VV, together with Mark Ormrod, Martin Reynolds and Dave Milner. Initially influenced by post-punk funkers such as A Certain Ratio, 23 Skidoo and The Pop Group, the band recorded a spirited flexi (Love Canal) for Blam! fanzine, before releasing a 7" on Cathexis (Kindest Cut) and the 12" Boom Slump ep on Vinyl Drip. According to Butterworth:

"Vee VV was slightly more together and gained popularity quite quickly - Peel, label interest, a move to London... and a split in Manchester while supporting My Bloody Valentine. Months before, gigs with the Stone Roses and New Order couldn't keep the band together. A few months later Madchester took off and Vee VV were no more."
COMMENT ADDED 30th July 2007
KH Says –
For the very same reasons reasons to mat I moved to a house down the road for a year or two around this time - my favourite show ever at the International would have been Mary Margaret O'Hara (we sat at her feet) and the last time I recall going there was for a Violent Femmes gig. From this flyer I went to the Weather Prophets and the Mighty Lemon Drops for sure.

I remember the venue had a very low-stage, with a small polished wood dance-floor immediately in front of it, and then lots of manky carpet running back to the side bars and the back bar that was enclosed in a weird glass cabin. I know that it's a foodstore now but I wonder what it had been before the International? It was very Working Men's Club style inside...
COMMENT ADDED 31st July 2007
mat Says –
for me the international was perfect! just the right size (for the sort of bands i wanted to see), you could pretty much see the stage from most places - two bars, sticky red carpet.

I once found a horses leg in the gutter outside.
COMMENT ADDED 31st July 2007
DG Says –
A horses leg! Did you keep it? - would have made a great artefact.
I'm pretty sure that during the 1970's The International was called Genevieve's. It was similar to somewhere like Fagin's on Oxford St. ie one of those 'nite-club' venues catering for an older crowd (young people went to 'discos' in the 70's!) -including my Dad.
COMMENT ADDED 31st July 2007
cody Says –
Was The International called Oceans 11 previously?

I remember the bar at The International having loads of band signed black & white promo photos stuck around it.

A real horses leg?? should have kept it mat, would have made a great replacement & conversation piece if you ever broke the leg of a table!
COMMENT ADDED 31st July 2007
Big Block 454 Says –
What about International 2, what had that been before?

Are both buildings still there?
COMMENT ADDED 31st July 2007
mat Says –
being a vegetarian i was a bit non-plussed by the horses leg, but forever suspicious of the kebab shop next door.
COMMENT ADDED 31st July 2007
jsz Says –
The International 2 was levelled some time ago and flats built on the site.
COMMENT ADDED 31st July 2007
KH Says –
The International building is still there (at least when I last drove by) and it's a kind of cash'n'carry food store - Turkish I think?

The International 2 I'm not so sure about - it's all a bit derelict in that area in preparation for the expansion of MRI so I guess that it's probably gone? I'm also not sure what the building was originally either (a bank, a cinema?) but it was definitely the less exciting of the venues with it's regular high stage, pit etc. I did, however, enjoy seeing Iggy Pop, The Stones Roses, That Petrol Emotion (with the mighty Hugo Largo supporting) and Boogie Down Productions there - at different times I hasten to add...

* OK, just read jsz's comment - another one bites the dust!
COMMENT ADDED 31st July 2007
cody Says –
The International building is still there, its called Venus Foods or summat like that, a Turkish food shop, sacrilege!
COMMENT ADDED 31st July 2007
Tony/Longfella Says –
You found a horse's leg? I found a 3 legged horse on Anson Rd! I wonder if...? What colour was it!?

You can still see something painted high on the gable end of the Int 1. We should get a pic - think it says Genevieve's. Did I hear it operated as a roller disco at some point?

The Int2 was formerly the Carousel club - a venue for local and touring Irish acts - Wolfetones, Brendan Shine, etc.
COMMENT ADDED 31st July 2007
georgewhitton Says –
Martin Reynolds is my form teacher!

He's the bassist in Vee VV and I've got all his vinyls. He told us of how they've been to Japan!

He's stood at the front of the class now. Telling off Martine.

Oh, broken dreams...
COMMENT ADDED 2nd October 2007
Cibarboy Says –
My mate (Derek Butler) was the final drummer with Vee VV before they split in 88/89, though he and Martin Reynolds recorded some funky stuff a few years later that my mate reckons was the best thing they ever did.
I spoke with John Robb acouple of years ago who confirmed Martin was now a teacher (in Derby ?) and that Mark Ormrod had returned to Blackpool.

Yes, The Stone Roses supported Vee VV in Warrington under the alias of The Lightblulbs (or something like that).

....and on a final note the International 1 was definitely the best venue in Manchester to go and see a band. Some great gigs there like REM, Husker Du, The Pale Fountains, World Of Twist and The Go Betweens.......aaah, memories !!
COMMENT ADDED 9th January 2010
OT Says –
yes - world of twist! that was an amazing gig... one of my favourites was seeing blondie there after chris stein had recovered. i was stood a few metres away from debbie harry and the set list was stupendous. i couldn't believe i was seeing them in this venue!
COMMENT ADDED 14th January 2010
tellhimhesdead Says –
Derek Butler, one heck of a drummer. I agree, the funky stuff was the best thing we ever did, I still listen to it even now!
The Lightbulbs (aka Stone Roses) warmed up for Vee VV at The Citadel in St Helens on the 3rd of November 1988.

Mark Ormrod did move back to Blackpool but I came back to Mcr after a year in Denmark. I have never been to Derby!
COMMENT ADDED 25th January 2010
Cibarboy Says –
Eeek !....didn't expect you on here, Martin.
Derek is living in Macclesfield at the moment and I'm sure would like to get back in touch with you. Up until recently he was teaching the drums and guitar (not at the same time) and hopes to pick up that particular thread pretty soon.
Let me know if you'd like his number.
.....oh and Derby is overrated anyway - I'm sure you didn't miss much !

Steve.
COMMENT ADDED 25th January 2010
tellhimhesdead Says –
Steve, any chance of you asking Derek to contact me via this site or through Vee VV my space page. I have no other way of contacting him. Thanks,
Martin
COMMENT ADDED 31st January 2010
Cibarboy Says –
Martin, it's xxxxx. I trust the people on this site impeccably !!

Regards, Steve
COMMENT ADDED 31st January 2010
OT Says –
if martin can confirm he's got this number asap then we should get it removed... you know, privacy an' all that
COMMENT ADDED 31st January 2010
Cibarboy Says –
Okay, fair enough.
COMMENT ADDED 31st January 2010
tellhimhesdead Says –
Still haven't managed to contact Derek. Are you still in contact with him? Iam hoping to release the recordings we made and as he paid for the studio and drummed(obviously!) I wondered if he would be interested?
Cheers Steve
COMMENT ADDED 19th March 2018
Cibarboy Says –
Hello Martin,
Yes I am and yes he would be.
Email me at cibarboy@yahoo.com
COMMENT ADDED 19th March 2018
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